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URGENT ANNOUNCEMENT

Metalurh Zaporizhia

User:DDima for admin

Kharkiv or Kharkov

See commons:User talk:EugeneZelenko#Kharkiv_vs._Kharkov.

Milena Markovna Kunis or Milena Markivna Kunis

This is not that important but simulair to Kharkiv or Kharkov I guess! On Mila Kunis page (actress born in Kyiv). They say her name is Milena Markovna Kunis But even my (female) friend from Crimea uses the Ukrainian version of her Patronymic (Milena Markivna Kunis, (that is not my friends name ofcourse)). I mentioned it on the talk page of the article but nobody responds on the talk page of the article. Can I change it too Milena Markivna Kunis? Russian versions of Ukrainian names irritate me :-) Mariah-Yulia (talk) 22:03, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

It is nice that you ask, but especially after you bring something up on a talk page, and there is no response, and you feel that there is good reason to make whatever the change may be: WP:BE BOLD.--Riurik(discuss) 18:48, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
She is Jewish so I thought that mabey they have different rules for there Patronymic's, I'm Dutch so don't know all the details of Ukraine and didn't want to be reckless... Thanks and: Good luck to Dinamo Kyiv! Mariah-Yulia (talk) 18:56, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, I guess it depends on Ms. Kunis herself. It may as well be -ovna, rather than -ivna.--Riurik(discuss) 19:06, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
The Ukrainian translation of her name say's Markivna.... so in order to keep things balanced so should the latin alphabet version of her name, right? PS after the 3th season that 70's show went downhil fast... Mariah-Yulia (talk) 21:09, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
According to this interview on youtube [[1]] where she try's to make us believe that Russia and Ukraine are one country (?)Stalin would be proud of her...) and in another interview on youtube [[2]] she only mentions Russia.... so it must be -ovna then. Mariah-Yulia (talk) 01:43, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

talk:SS Admiral Nakhimov

Can anybody confirm or deny that this ship had a serious accident in 1974 ? Mieciu K (talk) 21:28, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Too many High-importance Ukraine articles

I tried to be helpful so I tried to edit some Category:High-importance Ukraine articles but then I saw there where about 400 of them. I mean, how can Razom Nas Bahato, Nas Ne Podolaty still be High-importance? Should we have a system based on internethits and not based on personal views to place articles in the Category:High-importance Ukraine articles? Mariah-Yulia (talk) 21:21, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Totally agree. I hesitated to downgrade article's importance in order to not touch the editors' sensitivities as having one own article graded low or mid-level of importance may be unpleasant to some. But I think mature editors can easily handle that (I do) and if there are no objections, we should do some downgrading.
On a separate note, please do not take example of some of our neighbors and use this board to post messages that can easily be construed as divisive and inflammatory. I am removing such section from here by this edit. The proposed box also contradicts the spirit and the letter of the userpsace policy which specifically calls for avoiding any sort of political campaigning, especially the divisive one, in the userspace. --Irpen 03:31, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

No Ukrainian National Merit Barnstar?

The impressive list at here nonetheless has no Ukrainian barnstar. We should rectify this ASAP! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 05:30, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

There is. Thanks for your interest to this matter. --Irpen 05:33, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Ah, thanks. We need to add it to the Commons page, based on the few 'what links here' it seems mostly forgotten.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 05:51, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Done! Mariah-Yulia (talk) 22:50, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
This award is not "forgotten". It's just that there is more than one Ukraine-specific award. You can view several at the page of DDima, a very decorated Ukrainian editor, as well as talk pages and archives of other editors. There are plenty Ukraine-specific Wikipedia awards given by Riurik too that you can find from his contributions. --Irpen 08:01, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I placed (some of the Ukrainian Awards) at the portal so there easy to find! Mariah-Yulia (talk) 22:22, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Names

I realize this has probably already been discussed, but why do all the Kyiv metro articles have Russian in them? Could someone tell me? Ostap 05:37, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Ostap, you can see the whole discussion at Talk:Podilsko-Voskresenska Line. —dima/talk/ 18:24, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm from Western Europe so might not understand anything about Ukraine :) but I seriously do not understand what the constant fuss about Russian names being used in Ukrainian articles is al about... I do understand that various Russian rulers tried to wipe out the Ukrainian language (of course that was evil!), but to start removing Russian in Ukrainian articles can not lead to any good... in fact I think it will only lead to Russian Wikipidians rewriting Wikipedia in a way that it looks there culture in Ukraine is under attack (see Racism in Ukraine...) and the we have to start rewriting what they wrote... and then we get into all sorts of discussions on Talk pages etc. etc. etc. I assume good faith of Ostap but I think it's better to keep the Russian names to avoid trouble (it would be different if the Ukrainian names would be removed from the articles of course!). On a other note: if I understand right 60% of Kyiv speaks Russian, so they probably use the Russian names anyhow. Mariah-Yulia (talk) 20:32, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

"The total number of languages in the world is between 5,000 and 10,000", lets just put every language possible in Ukrainian articles. Try putting in Polish, I'm sure that will go over well. Ostap 04:27, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

WP:POINTy arguments won't get you far. --Irpen 05:10, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Russian-Ukrainian relations article

Why is there no Russian-Ukrainian relations? Seems most interesting for foreigners. Or did there used to be one and did that one got lost in a edit-war? Mariah-Yulia (talk) 22:31, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

It will get if it gets started. It would either be devoid of content, like current "pl-ua relations" article or it would get useless because of edit warring. --Irpen 22:54, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm afraid your right. I'm gonna play Why Can't We Live Together by Timmy Thomas now. Mariah-Yulia (talk) 23:11, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Are you talking about Russian-Ukrainian relations or Russia-Ukraine relations? These are two different topics. --Greggerr (talk) 15:39, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I mean the relations between the states/country's, not the people (so Russia-Ukraine relations it is). Mariah-Yulia (talk) 19:52, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

NATO-Ukrainian relations article

Is a NATO-Ukrainian relations article a bad idea? Mariah-Yulia (talk) 23:46, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Isn't this Ukraine-NATO wiki-battlefield enough? Certainly such article can be created but it would have to be baby seated like some of the articles you know already. I won't have patience. --Irpen 23:54, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Georgia and NATO looks fine, as well as Ukraine and the European Union. Mariah-Yulia, do need some kind of support? :) Go ahead and write whatever you think is missing! --Greggerr (talk) 15:36, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Do try to use a published book or another reputable secondary source instead of internet news articles. --Riurik(discuss) 19:39, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Zapor

We have a ZAZ, AvtoZAZ, Zaporozhets and individual model articles such as ZAZ Tavria. Does anyone see a problem here? --Kuban Cossack 18:02, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

The finest car ever made deserves to be written about in such detail.--Riurik(discuss) 20:23, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
But surely it would make more sense to re-group the articles by model numbers. I mean there is no separate Zhiguli article, all the models are collectively explained under AvtoVAZ. Though I agree there is no universal order there as well, but at least we have VAZ-2101 not kopeyka! As for finest it has to be this I have one!
No I am serious, have a look at how Mercedes is done: e.g. the famous chemodan (also known as Shestisoty which I also have btw) and the template at the bottom showing the production chronology etc. Should we not create something similar? --Kuban Cossack 13:56, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes, regrouping them under some logical order should be done.--Riurik(discuss) 17:26, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Deleting Ukrainian Revolution of 1918 once and for all

The article on Makhnovism has been once again forked under the title Ukrainian Revolution of 1918. Removing the fork is not a problem, but I've initiated a formal AfD, so this title can be speedy deleted in the future. Please register your affirmation or denial at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ukrainian Revolution of 1918.

Khrystos Voskres. —Michael Z. 2008-04-29 21:32 Z

Film editors wanted

WikiProject Films has solicited interest in creating a Soviet/CIS cinema task force. We'd like to cordially welcome all regular editors of these articles to voice their interest in starting this task force so as to see if there is sufficient support. Many thanks! Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 02:27, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Paleoconservatism

This article says that Ukraine is a base of the paleoconservative movement. Is this true? Ostap 23:17, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Is it verifiable with a credible source?--Riurik(discuss) 01:47, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
It was suddenly added here with no source. Ostap 07:29, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Looks like more of fiction writing. I removed all country designations, unless substantiated with credible sources.--Riurik(discuss) 19:47, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Template question

I would like to move Ukrainian diaspora articles from {{Ukrainians}} and create separate {{Ukrainian diaspora}} template similar to {{Polish diaspora}} template. What do you think? It seems to me it is a standard to group similar ethnic group articles by the navigation box at the bottom. - Darwinek (talk) 10:51, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

That's interesting. It makes sense. I don't have objections or comments to it, but maybe others?--Riurik(discuss) 04:16, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Done. - Darwinek (talk) 17:26, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Ukrainians of Brazil article help

I'm repeating a message I left for Bandurist. Awhile ago I created an article about Ukrainians of Brazil. Since then someone has added a list prominant "Ukrainians", almost all of whom were actually non-Ukrainians. Because this detracted from the article I had those people removed. This prompting an edit war, smears of me being a Nazi, etc. because apparently some Brazilian editors feel that every single person born in Ukraine must be a Ukrainian and it is racist to state otherwise. I provided examples of other non-Ukrainians from Ukraine such as Ukrainian-born Trotsky or Mikhail Bulgakov to no avail. This may not be something that is your specialty, but perhaps another Eastern-European voice would be helpful? Thanks... Faustian 04:37, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Third faction in the Soviet invasion of Poland (1939) article?

I have read about withdrawing Polish units in 1939 being ambushed by Ukrainian insurgents (possibly Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists) does anybody know how widespread and notable those attacks were? Should we add OUN to the Soviet invasion of Poland (1939) Military Conflict Infobox?

If you have any comments or suggestions please reply on the Portal talk:Poland/Poland-related Wikipedia notice board where this topic was started. Mieciu K (talk) 10:01, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Great Patriotic War

It seems a great deal of Soviet and Soviet Ukrainian articles use this term. What is the wikipedia policy? Should we be using this or the English terms "World War II" or "Second World War"? Ostap 06:22, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I think we should use the English term "World War II". It's used all over the world in contrast to the Soviet term. And "The Great Patriotic War" only covers 1941 to 1945. Narking (talk) 10:54, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Well World War II is a wide global conflict, whilst GPW (VOV) is a more narrow term specific to what happened on the Ukraine. --Kuban Cossack 10:57, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
GPW is a Soviet terminology, it is used very rarely in the English-language literature. I guess the sources per WP:V should dictate what terminology to use: if they stress it was the GPW, then so be it - otherwise it is the Second World War like everywhere else. --Hillock65 (talk) 14:25, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes, the Great Patriotic War is a term hardly known outside Soviet. And remember that Ukraine was affected by the war already in 1939. Narking (talk) 16:41, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Classiciations of articles

Seriously have a look at some of the Top-importance articles How can Borsht and Veliky Novgorod (one might wonder if it even belongs in the cats) hold the same top importance as History of Ukraine and Zaporozhian Cossacks? --Kuban Cossack 11:13, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Soviet and post-Soviet films task force

Just thought that the community would like to know that WikiProject Films has a established a Soviet and post-Soviet cinema task force. Interested editors are encouraged to join onboard! Thanks, Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 21:41, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Zaporizhian Sich Article

Article Zaporizhian Sich is declared within the scope of the Russian History WikiProject (see discussion page). Why dont make it a part of the Ukrainian Project, which seems to be more natural? Articles on Zaporozhean Cossaks in general contain too many official Russian history propaganda. Ans-mo 12:47, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Articles can be within the scope of many WikiProjects which apply. Feel free to add {{WikiProject Ukraine|class=|importance=}} and rate the article on its class and importance.. —dima/talk/ 21:05, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Geographical Names in English Wikipedia. Useful reference =

There are many editing wars going on as to spelling Ukrainian geographic names, mostly due to some Russian Wikipedians that try to get their way even though it is wrong. But, anyway, I would like you to verify spelling of Ukrainian geographical places with the United States Board on Geographic Names (aka US BGN) (http://gnswww.nga.mil/geonames/GNS/index.jsp). I want to emphasize that the U.S. Board on Geographic Names governs how geographic names must be spelled in official documents in the U.S. This should help you solve many editing wars. Solarapex 01:02, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

AIDS Epidemic

It is very well known that this decease is a problem in Ukraine, but is it really getting worse? I've read an article recently that states quite the contrary. See Engilsh version here. Regards, Bogdan що? 02:15, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Ukrainian Church in Lourdes

I created a new subsection on the Ukrainian Church in Lourdes in the article Lourdes. Any help in expanding it would be appreciated--Orestek (talk) 05:27, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Folklore Expert Needed

I have added Where Have All the Flowers Gone? (song) and And Quiet Flows the Don (novel) to this WikiProject. The song is said to be based on a traditional Ukrainian folk song, mentioned in the novel. I would appreciate it if this can be verified. Links to the song text, with an English translation, would be very helpful, and an addition to the article on the song. I started a Ukrainian folk song category, in case anyone wants to expand on that. Pustelnik 01:33, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I have read that as well, but I doubt it. It may be a furfy. It seems that Canadian Country and Western stars Mickey and Bunny and the Drifter's V translated the song into Ukrainian and sang itt that way. They did the same with the Beatle's tunes and songs like "This is made for you and me" and"You are my sunshine" which ;later became a hit for the marenych trio. Bandurist (talk) 00:00, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Hutsul Regiment

Hi everyone! I know this was a Polish Army regiment, but as it consisted mostly of Hutsuls, I thought you would be interested. Obviously, help is appreciated. I have read some opinions that it was the best regiment of the Polish Army in September 1939. So check out 49th Hutsul Rifle Regiment Tymek (talk) 20:39, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Sounds interesting. I'll copy this to the announcements page as well.--Riurik(discuss) 06:52, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Translation request

Can someone go to the link here: Portal_talk:Scouting/Scouting_news#Why? and translate the Ukrainian news article so we can put it in Portal:Scouting News section? We'd at least need enough for the news link. — Rlevse • Talk • 19:36, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Ukrainian Wikitravel

Hey. I've started a Ukrainian Wikitravel Expedition for creating a Ukrainian version of Wikitravel. If anyone is interested please write at my discussion page or just register at Wikitravel Shared and sign your name at the Language Expedition page. K r i s t o f talk 15:06, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Напольный Гетман это Иван Краснощёков - легендарнейший герой Донской Армии

Напольный Гетман – это легендарный герой Донского Казачества-Иван Матвеевич Краснощёков. Наберите в поиске ,,казаки бригадира Краснощёкова,, и вы откроете десятки и десятки исторических фактов о мужестве и беспредельной храбрости этого человека ,,с лицом сплошь покрытым шрамами от сражений,, Эта фраза взята мною из одного из многих описаний этого знаменитого портрета, шедевра русской живописи. не уступающего по мастерству выполнения лучшим картинам Рембранта. А теперь откройте портрет казацкого атамана Фёдора Краснощёкова. Портрет атамана Федора Ивановича Краснощекова. 1761 А. Антропов Ф.И. Краснощеков (?—1764) — походный атаман казачьих полков, сын знамени- того донского героя, устрашавшего врагов своей отвагой, „диким видом" и лицом, сплошь покрытым шрамами. Ф.И. Краснощеков и сам просла вился... Видите что эдесь написано. Я не могу сейчас точно сказать и установить когда и кто убрал фамилию Краснощёков с портрета. Эта табличка висела под портретом ,,Напольный Гетман Краснощёков,, где то до 63 года.Её изменили с приходом Брежнева. Кстати корнями предков Брежнев из тех демократов о которых Тальков спел. Если вы спросите настоящих исскуствоведов, родившихся до войны, они подтвердят это. Я имею очень много информации для тех историков, которые гадают кто же изображён на портете, чтобы наконец прояснить кто же этот ,,мужественный воин в шрамах,, изображённый на портрете. Полуботок не был былинным Донским героем и стал гетманом лишь в 1722 году и Никитин не мог писать его портрет в 1720 году. А другого такого легендарного и былинного героя в Донской Армии как И.М. Краснощёков в то время не БЫЛО. Но самое главное – что ни у кого кому сейчас приписывают этот портрет не было никаких шрамов на лице. Какие то идиоты на Американских сайтах приписывают этот портрет Мазепе. Который сбежал ещё в 1709 году. 11 лет до написания портрета. Маразм просто. Смотрите на портрет. Это большие шрамы от сабельных ударов на мужественном лице Ивана Матвеевича Краснощёкова - Первого официального Донского бригадира (генерала) Я могу выслать вам фотографию моей дочери и вы увидите совершенно одинаковую антропологию строения лица, как будто это его дочь. А ведь это 300 лет резницы во времени. С уважением, А.Н. Краснощёков, США, пра----внук (email redacted by Irpen) 22:08, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Transliteration standards

Our Ukrainian transliteration standards have been non-standard for too long. They consist of a note at WP:NAME which I wrote[3] and revised[4] in an attempt to sum up and justify the prevailing use on Wikipedia in 2004–07 (which was mostly a mix of British and LOC systems), another at WP:CYR where I tried to expand on the first, and another proposal, which appears to be a detailed reiteration of the portion pertaining to geographic names.

This is still not too bad, but it is redundant, non-standardized, and has transliteration advice in a place where it has been repeatedly misapprehended as an article naming guideline. I've tried to propose improvements to the text several times, but this has always bogged down into a lengthy discussion comparing the merits of various systems.

I'm going to take the initiative by amalgamating and rewriting the current consensus guidelines in one place so that they recommend the actual standards, instead of something “kinda like the actual standards.” I'm going to do this in the next two days.

Prosymo ne panikuvaty! (Don't panic!) I am not proposing any changes to transliteration practice, only rewriting the text. Important proper names will continue to be spelled by their conventional form. The only effect this will have is to clarify and improve consistency. Thanks for bearing with me. —Michael Z. 2008-10-22 00:49 z

I've updated the guideline at WP:UKR. —Michael Z. 2008-10-24 22:24 z

Problems_with_Khmelnytsky_Uprising_category_on_Commons

Please see Portal_talk:Poland/Poland-related_Wikipedia_notice_board#Problems_with_Khmelnytsky_Uprising_category_on_Commons.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 14:21, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

New article Russian annexation of Eastern Galicia, 1914-1915

Written by me.Faustian (talk) 05:34, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

New article Western Ukrainian Clergy

Written by me.Faustian (talk) 15:20, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Good Article Review

The article on Mykola Leontovych is currently going through GA review.

Please comment on the requested move for Pripyat

I have suggested the the page for Prypiat (in the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone) be moved to Pripyat.

Though normally I would prefer place-names use Ukrainian spellings and transliteration, for Pripyat I think that WP:COMMONNAME supersedes in this particular case. The discussion is here:

Talk:Prypiat#RFM to Pripyat (with better justification & references) --Cooper42(Talk)(Contr) 20:03, 22 December 2012 (UTC)


Help wanted on Criminal cases against Yulia Tymoshenko since 2010

The Wikipedia article Criminal cases against Yulia Tymoshenko since 2010 would benefit greatly with more editors being involved in its editing! (Right now I am the only one and that is hindering the article; more viewpoints are needed!) Some suggestions on how to improve the article can be found here. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 18:48, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Good news on sourcing

As I accidentally found out:

Seeking Ukrainian expertise

How do you decide if we can categorize a historical individual as a "Ukrainian XXXX"? It's a great question that I'd like to see some input from members of this WikiProject. Please see the discussion at Talk:Petro Prokopovych. Good Ol’factory (talk) 15:54, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. Discussion is underway. Ukrained2012 (talk) 02:41, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of pictures of Ukrainian buildings

It seems like a joke but sadly I guess it's not. [5] This can mean it will be impossible to have pictures of modern Ukrainian buildings. Närking (talk) 20:43, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

The madness goes on at Wikimedia. [6]. Närking (talk) 18:21, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
And the deletion mania goes on and on... Will there be any pictures left from Ukraine? [7] Närking (talk) 11:59, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

I am afraid that until they change the laws in Ukraine... "Normal Wikipedia" is not so strict as "Wikipedia Commons". (Just a casual observation...) — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 15:09, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Name this hat (on T. Shevchenko)

File:Taras Shevchenko 1859.jpg
What is this hat called?

In this famous picture of Taras Shevchenko, which I keep seeing everywhere Ukrainians congregate, what is this hat called uk:Кучма (шапка)?, and it is a significant enough part of Ukrainian national costume to warrant an article. Or perhaps it should be mentioned as a variation of a Busby / Karakul / Papakha or Kubanka? --Kevlar (talk • contribs) 17:49, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

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